On May 31, 4:20 pm, James Redford <jrredf...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> God has been proven to exist based upon the most reserved view of the
> known laws of physics. For much more on that, see Prof. Frank J.
> Tipler's below paper, which among other things demonstrates that the
> known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, general
> relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle
> physics) require that the universe end in the Omega Point (the final
> cosmological singularity and state of infinite informational capacity
> identified as being God):
all of the "proofs" cited in the papers
(and there is not one coherent one
but several separate arguments)
make the same mistakes
and seem to ignore what the obvious conclusions are
by substituting near the last steps of reasoning
their preferred conclusion
modern physics does indeed show that
informational constructs grow in complexity
when allowed to evolve on free energy sources
but it also shows
free energy sources dissipating over time
and it also shows
the conservation of information in known interaction
when certain energetics are associated informational status
(which is the point of the free energy source above)
and nothing shows this growth to infinite informational capacity
and since all known observations give discrete information
nothing even shows this is possible
of course
it might be possible
if we discover our universe is not finite
and we somehow learn continuous information manipulation
and...
but nothing today even shows that likely
and everything points to finite processing in finite time
what this means
is that modern physics
the same modern physics appealed to by the OP
suggests instead that all information processing
will _always_ be:
- incomplete
- fallible
- over finite spans of time
according to current understandings of thermodynamics
also
- doomed to one day end
still incomplete
still fallible
still finite
who knows
being creative till the end
is much more aesthetically pleasing to me
and jives more with my view of being _alive_
and religious belief has a tendency
to remove the desire for knowledge
as an avoidance mechanism to maintain dogmas
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