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Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of mass

by "Neil B." <neil_delver@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 3, 2008 at 02:55 PM

Here's a paradox about work-driven buildup of mass and conservation of 
angular momentum.  Give it a try.

In everyday mechanics, in order to redistribute mass we have to actually 
move it from one place to another.  However, the equivalency of mass and 
energy complicates that issue.  For example, we could convert the impact 
energy U (I use U so E can be a field) of a falling mass m1 hitting the 
floor into mass m2: m2 = m1gh/c^2.  Hence potential energy can of course 
be converted into mass, not just actual energy.  Note that we could 
violate conservation of angular momentum (sum of r cross p) if we could 
just ****ft mass effortlessly (no forces, like "tele****tation") even if the

total did stay the same.  That's because in a frame of ref. where the mass

is moving, its linear momentum vector would be ****fted sideways to itself.

(Thus changing the r cross p with no compensation.)

I am aware of various sorts of compensation etc. in apparently paradoxical

situations, but I imagined a thought experiment that I can't solve to 
maintain CoAM.  Have a line charge along "x."  Have also two square 
"solenoids" S1 and S2 with same sense of current and sides equal to Y. 
All three lie in the same plane, with one solenoid centered at coordinate 
y1 and the other at y2 = -y1. (Being lazy at constructing ASCII diagrams 
has sharpened my verbal descriptions.)  One one side of each solenoid , 
the current is being "pushed" in the direction of field E, and on the 
other, the current is fighting against E.  It helps the following if you 
imagine not a literal current of electrons, but a mechanically driven belt

of little charged bodies:  On the side of each where E is favorable to the

"current ", mass-energy builds up at a rate dm/dt = IEY/c^2.  On the 
unfavorable side, mass-energy is lost at a rate dm/dt = -IEY/c^2 (if abs. 
vals used for the variables.)  That already looks like a problem per the 
previous discussion, but we usually consider such issues solved by the AM 
etc. of the fields.  (Note Feynman's paradox of the charged wheel, etc.) 
Some say there's an "energy current" between the sides (see 
Taylor/Wheeler,  _Spacetime Physics_ etc.) , but how does that really 
work?

However, the real test (?) of there being a problem is whether it is 
reversible.  Hence, let's move S1 and S2 respectively away from the line 
charge at low velocity.  Now, once they're accelerated, we have for the 
rate of change of angular momentum L:  dL/dt = rv dm/dt, using proper 
signs in vector notation. If you check, you'll find that there's a net 
change of L as S1 and S2 move to a distance from the line (same sign of 
build ups at opposite sides as seen by observer looking at plane, times 
opposite r and v, gives same dL/dt for S1 and S2.)  I can't find an 
influence on the wire from their motion that would compensate the right 
amount.  Then, at a distance, you can switch the direction of current in 
the solenoids and again no net effect.  Then, move S1 and S2 towards the 
line charge, and reversed dm/dt and reversed v makes the same dL/dt as 
before.  Lather, rinse, repeat; I don't yet see how to foil it.

Give solving it a try, you may even get help from offbeat angles like 
stress corrections in the solenoids etc.
 




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Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of mas
"Neil B." <n  2008-06-03 14:55:45 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
Puppet_Sock <puppet_so  2008-06-03 12:12:23 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
"Neil B." <n  2008-06-03 18:00:41 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
"Androcles" <  2008-06-03 20:42:14 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
Puppet_Sock <puppet_so  2008-06-04 08:21:43 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
"Neil B." <n  2008-06-05 10:32:03 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
Edward Green <spamspam  2008-06-06 08:01:34 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
"Neil B." <n  2008-06-06 20:42:18 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
Edward Green <spamspam  2008-06-08 08:09:13 
Re: Paradox about angular momentum during work-driven buildup of
"Neil B." <n  2008-06-08 20:53:27 

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