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Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air

by "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au> Jun 29, 2008 at 09:31 PM

"Szczepan Białek" <sz.bialek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
>  "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au>wrote
> news:4866f2fc$0$13943$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "Bert Hickman" <bert_hickman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:m6ydncqLDeM6Nf7VnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Vince Morgan wrote:
> >
> >>>> -- 
> > I find this subject very interesting.  The more I think about it the
more
> > weird it seems to be.
> > An emission spectra would be interesting to examine I think.
> > There would have to be very rapid component separation within the
plasma,
> > surely.  But, as little gas is found in the final products it would
appear
> > that they also recombine rapidly.  The recombination should be
implosive?
> > The lack of steam indicates a largely adiabatic process?  There is a
> > pressure wave but apparently the overall pressure normalizes very
rapidly
> > and leaves no residual expansion of the products. So how do the water
> > droplets form?
>
> It is the segmentation of a conductor. See:
>
http://www.df.lth.se/%7Esnorkelf/Longitudinal/node3.html#SECTION00300000000000000000

Yes, that makes sense.  I also saw a citation where a Graneau did this
wire
experiment in water, with similar segmentation.
I notice that two different Graneaus appear in the citations Bert quoted,
and I have to wonder if he is one of them.
>
> > If it is condensate it shouldn't be a 'cold fog'.  A
> > shockwave of sufficient magnitude would be a likely candidate I would
> > think.
> > I can't see a transition from bulk water to droplets releasing much
> > energy,
> > if any at all.  But then again, I don't have the skills to determine
this
> > at
> > all.
> > However, as small water droplets can ionize perhaps they do become
> > repulsive.
>
> It is better to say "charged".
>
> > If this is true and there is to be found excess energy (and apparently
> > there
> > is) the source for that should be found either within the plasma, or
in
> > very
> > close proximity to it one would think.
>
> To charge something we need a source of charge  with a voltage. The
Earth
is
> such. The bulk of water has very small electrical capacity. The droplets
> formed during segmentation have huge electrical capacity.
> Similar proces has place when water eva****ate from grounded metal
container.
> Steem is charged and migrate up quickly. Without the connection with the
> Earth the steem is neutral and is lazy. Is there an excess energy?
I'll have to give the above more thought.  And, yes.  It is re****ted that
as
much as 40% over that supplied.
Interesting.
Regards,
Vince
 




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High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Vince Morgan"   2008-06-26 13:04:03 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-06-25 22:05:19 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-26 05:35:02 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Vince Morgan"   2008-06-26 17:55:33 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-26 05:10:35 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Vince Morgan"   2008-06-26 18:03:58 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
Bert Hickman <bert_hic  2008-06-26 09:33:09 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Vince Morgan"   2008-06-27 18:47:00 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-06-27 11:36:31 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Vince Morgan"   2008-06-29 12:26:19 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Szczepan Białek&quo  2008-06-29 11:37:31 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Vince Morgan"   2008-06-29 21:31:27 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Szczepan Białek&quo  2008-06-30 09:58:30 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Bill Miller" &  2008-06-26 17:24:28 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-06-28 04:29:12 
Re: High current pulsed arcs in both water and air
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-06-28 18:35:15 

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