"John C. Polasek" <jpolasek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:40:52 GMT, "Bill Miller"
> <billmillerkt4ye@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John C. Polasek" <jpolasek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:28:17 GMT, "Bill Miller"
>>> <billmillerkt4ye@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John C. Polasek" <jpolasek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> ruthless snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even in introductory texts, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to say
>>>>>>something like, "Maxwell's equations demonstrate a clear
relation****p
>>>>>>between Electric(E) and Magnetic (H) fields. This is sometimes
>>>>>>erroneously
>>>>>>interpreted as meaning that E causes H and H causes E. However, a
>>>>>>careful
>>>>>>analysis shows that E fields and H fields are sololy caused by
charges
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>the movement of charges.""
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not too hard.
>>>>> You are full of beans.
>>>>
>>>>Yep... Had some last night.
>>>>
>>>>As soon as the currents pulse up and down in
>>>>> the antenna, a good ****tion of the energy exits as EM waves that
take
>>>>> off across the country. They're on their own and don't need overt
>>>>> charges or currents. E, D, B and H are taken care of by polarization
>>>>> of eps0 and mu0, properties of the vacuum. They exchange energies as
>>>>> they go along.
>>>>
>>>>Your case would be stronger if E and H (in an EM wave) were out of
>>>>phase.
>>>>Then we would have a situation analagous to -- say -- a spring or
water
>>>>waves, wherein kinetic energy gets swapped for potential energy, etc.
>>>>
>>>>BUT E and H are in phase! How in the world can anyone imagine that two
>>>>in
>>>>phase and contiguaous signals are *swapping* energy? If you can do so,
I
>>>>believe we would all love to hear how it works.
>>>
>>> OK, here's how they swap energy, (and remember, you promised to love
>>> to hear this).
>>> Using spring mass for simplicity
>>
>>I just dropped everything, rushed outside and looked at my antennas. No
>>matter how hard I looked, I couldn't find a spring.
>>
>>>and recognizing that the wave will be
>>> sinusoidal, the force on the spring is pro****tional to displacement
>>> Fk = F0 sin wt (say)
>>> The force on the mass is pro****tional to acceleration, two derivatives
>>> removed, so it's 180 degrees out of phase.
>>> Fm = - w^2F0 sin wt
>>> The energies likewise peak 180 degrees apart.
>>>
>>
>>I'm sorry, John. I still don' see no spring!
>
> You have not looked at my model of the ether (pairspace) on my
> website. The springs are right in front of your nose; capacitive
> energy is stored in the extension of the springs: dx = E*e/K.
> It is the only arrangement that will duplicate the action of eps0.
> The spring/mass resonance for the bound charges in space is
> w = sqrt(K/m) = 1.693e22 rad/sec.
> The frequency response of any radiation frequency f or w, fits on a
> Bode diagram, showing the mass has very little effect till we approach
> resonance:
> Kx = mW^2x
> Fm/Fk = w^2/W^2
>>And while Saint Albert (and the bomb) taught us that Energy and Mass
have
>>equivalency, I do not see where mass enters into this situation.
>>
>>Are you perhaps suggesting that the free space epsilon exhibits the same
>>type of spring-like latency that we see in the epsilon of many solid
>>dielectrics? If so, then, yes, we see a phase ****ft.
>
> Of course I am. See the website. It all works.
>
>>But I am not aware of any such phase ****ft that has bee measured in free
>>space. If this is your suggestion, then show us the free space
>>experimental
>>evidence, please.
>>
>>> So you were approximately correct, that they are in phase, yes, in a
>>> larger sense. After all, what's a minus sign? Well, shucks, let's just
>>> admit that they are out of phase, as you were opining, making my case
>>> stronger as you point out. I'm gratified.
>>>
>>>>THEN stand by your phone for the Stockholm call!
>>>>
>>>>> Your assumption of currents and charges being present and essential
is
>>>>> just as valid as the teams now looking for Wimps and Machos to
explain
>>>>> the dark matter problem.
>>>>
>>>>Currents and charges are essential to LAUNCH the wave(s). Afterwards,
>>>>the
>>>>separate E and H signals are in lock step and isolated.
>>>>
>>>>> By the way which do you prefer:
>>>>> D = E and B = H
>>>>> or D = eps0E and B = mu0H ?
>>>>
>>>>I pick....
>>>>
>>>>Let's see...
>>>>
> Clearly it would be fruitless for me to go through a whole lot of
> handsprings for someone who still thinks the vacuum is empty and D=E
> and B=H, equations that are easy to memorize, but which, even with a
> little more substance added, barely approach tautology.
> Maxwell's Ddot lives!
John... Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
Although you may have forgotten, you and I swapped several private
messages
after I visited your website a year or so a go. (This was about the time
that Benj asked about magnetism caused by D & I pointed him at Jefimenko.)
At that time, I told you that -- primarily due to the appearance of your
site and the quality of the writeup(s) -- I found your fascinating
propoition to dramatically lack credibility. I gave you some epecific
suggestions as to how you could improve both. I'm afraid I still have my
original opinion.
All the best,
Bill
>>>>Oh gosh, I just can't decide!
>>>
>>> You dodged the D=E bullet. That's a sure sign of a benighted cgs'er
>>> who at least has the decency to feel a little guilty.
>>
>>OK You caught me! I choose...
>>
>>British Thermal Units and Furlongs Per Fortnight
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>>
>>>>>>Bill
> John Polasek
> http://www.dualspace.net
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