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Re: is the magnetic field really moving?

by Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 1, 2008 at 05:09 AM

On Jul 31, 7:23=A0pm, Salmon Egg <Salmon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Rotate the caps while keeping the tube stationary. The "lines" rotate.
> Now keep the caps from rotating and rotate the main solenoid. Now, the
> "lines" do not rotate with the solenoid.
>
> Draw your own conclusions.

OK. My conclusion is that iron filings don't "map" lines of force at
all. "Lines of Force" are a rather bogus concept to begin with and
iron filings only make patterns that LOOK like "lines of force", but
certainly don't somehow measure or represent them.  The only "true
test" of your experiment would be to somehow measure qVxB emfs at the
end caps. And note that you must do that WITHOUT using current loops.
If you use loops then you get the same result no matter if you assume
the fields move with the magnets or if you assume they don't. What
changes is the ****tion of the sensing loop where the voltage is
induced.
 




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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-07-24 20:05:24 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-07-25 06:46:06 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-25 00:27:41 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-07-30 09:03:55 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-07-31 07:02:12 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-07-31 09:44:12 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-29 18:08:59 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-30 06:26:37 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-30 18:12:10 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-07-31 21:34:48 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-31 16:23:50 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-01 05:27:02 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:34:06 
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"Vince Morgan"   2008-08-01 11:09:33 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:36:39 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:29:46 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 05:09:21 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-02 00:42:34 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:25:42 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-02 05:11:40 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-03 18:08:04 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-02 03:17:52 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-03 17:42:44 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-03 23:04:29 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 19:21:06 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-04 16:52:36 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-04 21:49:27 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 21:13:19 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 06:20:20 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-05 11:55:01 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 08:21:37 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 15:10:39 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 08:17:48 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-14 04:18:24 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-14 11:18:30 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-15 07:27:46 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-24 00:53:37 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-28 06:56:52 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 02:33:56 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-19 07:41:24 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 11:20:21 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-19 11:52:38 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 23:27:20 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-25 12:13:11 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 14:33:02 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 21:48:43 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 16:05:23 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 03:53:26 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-25 18:43:17 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 13:30:51 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-26 08:31:23 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 16:09:36 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 04:00:51 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-26 21:24:47 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:38:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 12:18:14 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 01:57:04 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-13 20:26:56 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-18 20:01:29 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 09:28:39 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-19 11:45:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-20 08:24:21 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-20 11:17:11 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-20 22:07:36 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-20 20:53:47 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-21 00:46:15 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-21 19:57:48 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-21 22:42:37 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-21 21:39:25 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:33:16 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-23 05:34:56 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-23 15:00:51 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:43:33 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-24 13:34:56 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:33:40 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-25 20:56:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 03:51:54 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-26 16:13:09 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 23:54:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-26 21:35:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 06:52:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-27 13:51:46 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 02:16:35 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-28 02:55:36 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-28 11:00:20 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 19:32:12 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-28 17:10:45 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-29 07:04:24 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-29 04:28:26 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-29 09:59:28 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-01 06:52:24 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-09-01 14:07:36 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-02 03:24:19 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-09-02 09:24:16 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-03 01:36:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-09-02 19:14:23 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-27 04:53:21 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:00:09 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-09-02 18:03:10 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-03 04:50:59 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-09-04 04:40:39 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 22:25:07 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-24 09:03:46 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 08:44:55 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:40:04 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-22 16:25:40 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:30:21 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-24 08:46:31 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:22:37 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:27:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-23 12:44:14 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-24 07:04:57 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-23 17:38:11 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:13:09 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 12:26:31 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 14:00:45 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 21:26:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-14 17:38:09 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-27 06:56:27 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 02:17:15 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-26 18:03:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 08:47:06 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-27 14:51:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:43:27 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 11:56:13 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 00:12:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 14:22:32 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 13:28:40 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 16:38:36 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 09:05:20 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 16:57:02 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 17:09:27 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 12:56:16 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 12:58:11 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-15 01:03:16 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 11:39:06 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 12:46:58 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:44:52 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 08:15:51 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 08:21:04 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-24 18:21:58 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:49:18 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 09:41:38 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-27 13:01:51 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:31:15 

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