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Re: is the magnetic field really moving?

by phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 5, 2008 at 06:20 AM

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
| On Aug 4, 3:21?pm, phil-news-nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
| 
|> If the field _strength_ remains constant, then what is generating the
potential?
| 
| relative motion between the magnetic field and the charges in the
| conductors.

What aspect of the field is different in one place relative to another
place
for the wire to have potential generated when it is moved between these
places
when the intensity of the field is the sane?


|> If the magnet (full circle) is rotated around Faraday's stationary
disk, what
|> is the disk "seeing" from the field?
| 
| 
| -------------------------------
| In Faraday Generator, if the magnet is stationary and the disk rotates
| you get an output.
| Theory: Charges in moving disk move relative to fixed magnetic field
| producing voltage. Connecting wires do not move with respect to magnet
| so no induction there. You see a voltage output.
| 
| 
| 
| If Magnet is ATTACHED to disk and both spun (Classic "N" machine). Get
| output!
| Theory: If magnetic field is assumed to not rotate with magnet then we
| have in essence the same situation as above.
| 
| Theory II: If the magnetic field is assume to rotate with magnet
| (bristle theory) then since magnet and disk rotate together there is
| no voltage induced in the disk. But magnet field is moving with
| respect to hook-up wires and the voltage is induced in THEM!
| 
| 
| 
| If Magnet is spun but disk and wires stationary! No voltage.
| Theory: If magnetic field does NOT rotate with magnet, then there is
| no relative motion with respect to EITHER disk or hook-up wires so
| there is no output.
| 
| Theory II: If magnetic field DOES rotate with magnet now there is a
| voltage induced in the disk and one in the hook-up wires. They are
| equal and opposite and CANCEL! Hence no output!
| 
| Basically you end up with no definitive answers using these
| variations.

This is because we have those hookup wires crossing the extraneous field.
A modification of the disk design can avoid this.

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is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-07-24 20:05:24 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-07-25 06:46:06 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-25 00:27:41 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-07-30 09:03:55 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-07-31 07:02:12 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-07-31 09:44:12 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-29 18:08:59 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-30 06:26:37 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-30 18:12:10 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-07-31 21:34:48 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-31 16:23:50 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-01 05:27:02 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:34:06 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Vince Morgan"   2008-08-01 11:09:33 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:36:39 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:29:46 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 05:09:21 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-02 00:42:34 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:25:42 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-02 05:11:40 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-03 18:08:04 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-02 03:17:52 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-03 17:42:44 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-03 23:04:29 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 19:21:06 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-04 16:52:36 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-04 21:49:27 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 21:13:19 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 06:20:20 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-05 11:55:01 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 08:21:37 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 15:10:39 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 08:17:48 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-14 04:18:24 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-14 11:18:30 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-15 07:27:46 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-24 00:53:37 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-28 06:56:52 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 02:33:56 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-19 07:41:24 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 11:20:21 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-19 11:52:38 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 23:27:20 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-25 12:13:11 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 14:33:02 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 21:48:43 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 16:05:23 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 03:53:26 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-25 18:43:17 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 13:30:51 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-26 08:31:23 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 16:09:36 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 04:00:51 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-26 21:24:47 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:38:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 12:18:14 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 01:57:04 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-13 20:26:56 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-18 20:01:29 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 09:28:39 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-19 11:45:31 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-20 08:24:21 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-20 11:17:11 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-20 22:07:36 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-20 20:53:47 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-21 00:46:15 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-21 19:57:48 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-21 22:42:37 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-21 21:39:25 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:33:16 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-23 05:34:56 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-23 15:00:51 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:43:33 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-24 13:34:56 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:33:40 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-25 20:56:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 03:51:54 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-26 16:13:09 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 23:54:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-26 21:35:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 06:52:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-27 13:51:46 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 02:16:35 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-28 02:55:36 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-28 11:00:20 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 19:32:12 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-28 17:10:45 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-29 07:04:24 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-29 04:28:26 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-29 09:59:28 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-01 06:52:24 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-09-01 14:07:36 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-02 03:24:19 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-09-02 09:24:16 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-03 01:36:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-09-02 19:14:23 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-27 04:53:21 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:00:09 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-09-02 18:03:10 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-03 04:50:59 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-09-04 04:40:39 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 22:25:07 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-24 09:03:46 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 08:44:55 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:40:04 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-22 16:25:40 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:30:21 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-24 08:46:31 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:22:37 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:27:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-23 12:44:14 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-24 07:04:57 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-23 17:38:11 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:13:09 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 12:26:31 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 14:00:45 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 21:26:31 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-14 17:38:09 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-27 06:56:27 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 02:17:15 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-26 18:03:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 08:47:06 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-27 14:51:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:43:27 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 11:56:13 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 00:12:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 14:22:32 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 13:28:40 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 16:38:36 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 09:05:20 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 16:57:02 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 17:09:27 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 12:56:16 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 12:58:11 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-15 01:03:16 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 11:39:06 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 12:46:58 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:44:52 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 08:15:51 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 08:21:04 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-24 18:21:58 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:49:18 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 09:41:38 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-27 13:01:51 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:31:15 

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