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Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!

by "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 5, 2008 at 01:47 AM

On Aug 4, 11:57 pm, Benj <bjac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Electromagnetic Induction? How does it work?
>
> OK. I know you all want a chance to be "smarter than Einstein" and I,
> like you, believe in the holy luminiferous aether. And I believe that
> through aether theory shall come that long-sought "theory of
> everything", but we are far from that point now.
>
> So here is where I need help. Let us start with something basic and
> simple: Electromagnetic Induction. I'm trying to develop an Aether
> model to 'explain" this phenomena.

Steal one instead.  Stand on the shoulders of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_space


>
> Here's what I know: A current element in one straight wire that has
> either an increasing or decreasing current will produce E fields about
> that source that will induce currents in other wires. The induced
> currents will be either parallel or anti-parallel to the source
> current. The Induced current falls off by 1/distance from the source
> current. We know that the induction is uniform in all directions about
> the source current.

The Coulomb fields are isotropic. The induced fields are shaped
by a line connecting the superpositioned charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Some_practical_applications
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/light/index.htm
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/magnetostatics/index.htm

>
> We know that the induction is NOT produced by a B field from the
> source current.This is because induction occurs in regions of zero B,
> self-induction occurs in a straight wire while Biot-Savart says that B
> from a current element is zero on it's axis. And also because while B
> is caused by the source current there is not a causal relation between
> the retarded B and the electrokinetic E field that forces the induced
> currents.
>
> We know that the relation****p between the source current and induced
> current is causal, but the source current ALSO causes B and A though
> neither are causal to E.  Hence, the question that needs to be
> modeled, is what kind of "aether stress" would produce this induction?
> If it is not B nor A then what kind of "model" can we imagine that
> would produce the parallel electrokinetic E field that generates
> induction? What kind of "stress" in the Aether can we imagine that
> does this?

The ~stress~ is pu****ng positive charges away while pulling
negative charges toward the source.  It is a dielectric
effect with no mechanical equivalent.

Propagation in a dielectric medium
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node98.html
Propagation in a conductor
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node102.html

>
> Anyone?
>
> PS. If non-aetherists wish to comment, you are free to imagine these
> effects taking place by stresses in "nothing at all".

What is a non-aetherist ?  AEther your equations
work or they don't.

Sue...
 




 27 Posts in Topic:
Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 20:57:24 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"Sue..." <su  2008-08-05 01:47:17 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@[EM  2008-08-05 09:34:31 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"hhc314@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-08-05 10:10:47 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-08-05 20:02:04 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 13:27:02 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Aetherist <TheAetheris  2008-08-05 19:21:07 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 13:30:31 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-08-06 18:34:58 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"hhc314@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-08-05 19:36:20 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 03:31:12 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Aetherist <TheAetheris  2008-08-06 17:23:29 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 04:18:41 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 04:36:10 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"hhc314@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-08-06 05:13:39 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"hhc314@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-08-06 05:15:53 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 14:46:51 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 15:18:48 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 15:18:58 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-08-07 18:38:08 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-07 21:01:07 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Aetherist <TheAetheris  2008-08-09 06:47:08 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Aetherist <TheAetheris  2008-08-09 07:43:46 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-08 10:40:22 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-08 15:02:14 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-09 07:39:44 
Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-09 07:56:41 

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