Re: Need help finding magnets for experiment...

Cwatters wrote:
> "jim" <jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:Llpjk.134$XT1.59@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >> Why not mount a lot of smaller magnets in "parallel" ?
>> The result would be many "hills" and "valleys" in the magnetic flux
field.
>> That type of magnetic flux field is not desirable for this experiment.
> 
> Square magnets?
> 
> How uniform does it need to be? 

The theory that I was looking to experiment with was one whereby 
youtubers have tried to create motors utilizing permanent magnets as the 
only source of power.

The mag-motor experiments that they tried always used separate magnets 
to create the opposing magnetic fields.

Even if you were to suppress one side of the magnets' fields, you still 
have a magnetic field that is being resisted by every opposing magnetic 
field (a hill) as it p***** by.

I simply wondered what would happen if you replaced their hills and 
valleys with a uniform magnetic field (say a disc magnet's end field) 
and then placed a magnet inside the uniform magnetic field, mounted on 
an arm (which can only move horizontally in a circle above the disc 
magnet) with the opposing field of the mounted magnet aimed at the 
opposing field of the disc magnet at an angle.

My question was whether the two opposing fields would create sort of a 
"high pressure" magnetic field and move the arm forward along a 
circular, horizontal axis.

The answer was that there is no movement.

The reason is (my supposition here) that the force needed to compress 
the magnetic flux lines of the opposing magnetic disc as the arm moved 
forward cancel out the "high pressure" of the opposing magnetic flux 
lines I had thought may do the "pu****ng".

The flaw in my model (and theirs) is that they (nor I) had taken into 
account the fact that movement is always from an area of high pressure 
to lower pressure (whether that be air or water or electrons or magnetic 
fields).

In order for their magnetic motors to work, there must be and area of 
high magnetic resistance and an area of lower magnetic resistance that 
constantly moves (as the magnetic field in an electric motor moves) to 
sustain movement.

Although I have seen some real "outside the box" thinking on the 
subject, only one person has managed to lower the magnetic fields 
opposing the movement of the motor to any degree whatsoever.  And, his 
experiment was not done in a way that may state emphatically that his 
method works (his equipment was not done to exacting measurements and 
those off placements of the parts may have accounted partially for the 
run-time that he did achieve - but which was also short lived).

Until such time as somebody comes up with a way to mechanically turn a 
permanent magnetic field on and off at will, this mag-motor device will 
not function as desired.

It is also my opinion that no device can operate without some sort of 
outside energy (whether that be solar, wind or even the use of 
gravitational force).

The idea of a permanent magnetic motor is intriguing.  And, while I say 
that nothing is impossible, a working mag-motor will take a much more 
complex design than is presently being attempted in the videos on youtube.

Thanks for your post!

jim