Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>On Aug 5, 1:10 pm, "hhc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <hhc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> This is likely a good place to begin:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_law_of_induction
>>
>> After that:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations
>>
>> As you will note, no "Aether" is required nor desired.
>>
>> Note also that physics explains 'how' things work, but not 'why'.
>> 'Why' is the concern of theology.
>
>Excuse me responders. I appreciate your responses but you don't quite
>have the idea here. You are all responding as if quoting some
>mathematical equations is a MODEL for the action. It is not. Math is
>NOT reality. Math isn't even a MODEL for reality. And math is
>certainly NOT an "explanation" of anything. It only show a certain
>correspondence between man-made mathematical systems and some observed
>data. They are not the same or equivalent.
>
>So barfing out Maxwells equations and saying that "explains it all" is
>nonsense. In fact, you have failed to read what I wrote because most
>of you are barfing maxwell's equations in non-causal form which means
>that they don't even apply as MATH let alone as reality! Didn't you
>guys get the part about how a B field or an A field is NOT causal to
>the induced electrokinetic field?
>
>So here' s the question again. What kind of physical phenomena starts
>with a current in a given direction and then induces Electric Fields
>in the space about that current that are PARALLEL to it and
>furthermore fall off in ALL directions as 1/distance from the source
>current.  As someone noted Coulomb forces are spherical about the
>charge. But forces are directed RADIALLY not parallel to the source.
>And of course they do not depend upon the rate of change of the
>source.
>
>Again. Personally, I find the whole mechanism of induction weird.  It
>depends on the rate of change of the source. It is 1/r and spherical
>about the source. BUT at the same time the induced forces are parallel
>(or anti-parallel) to the source. What kind of MODEL (not equations)
>could explain such a thing?  And note the model of the source current
>causing a magnetic field which causes the induction or an vector
>magnetic potential that causes the induction forces is clearly WRONG!
>The causality relations Between B or A and E are not there. Hint: a
>changing B does not cause E and a changing E does not cause B!

Well perhaps Maxwell himself can help you, see:

http://vacuum-physics.com/Maxwell/maxwell_oplf.pdf

This also has visual aids,

http://www.cft.edu.pl/~birula/publ/VortEM.pdf

Cheers,