Re: Induction: Aetherists lend me a hand!

On 5 Aug, 04:57, Benj <bjac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Electromagnetic Induction? How does it work?
>
> OK. I know you all want a chance to be "smarter than Einstein" and I,
> like you, believe in the holy luminiferous aether. And I believe that
> through aether theory shall come that long-sought "theory of
> everything", but we are far from that point now.
>
> So here is where I need help. Let us start with something basic and
> simple: Electromagnetic Induction. I'm trying to develop an Aether
> model to 'explain" this phenomena.
>
> Here's what I know: A current element in one straight wire that has
> either an increasing or decreasing current will produce E fields about
> that source that will induce currents in other wires. The induced
> currents will be either parallel or anti-parallel to the source
> current. The Induced current falls off by 1/distance from the source
> current. We know that the induction is uniform in all directions about
> the source current.
>
> We know that the induction is NOT produced by a B field from the
> source current.This is because induction occurs in regions of zero B,
> self-induction occurs in a straight wire while Biot-Savart says that B
> from a current element is zero on it's axis. And also because while B
> is caused by the source current there is not a causal relation between
> the retarded B and the electrokinetic E field that forces the induced
> currents.
>
> We know that the relation****p between the source current and induced
> current is causal, but the source current ALSO causes B and A though
> neither are causal to E. =A0Hence, the question that needs to be
> modeled, is what kind of "aether stress" would produce this induction?
> If it is not B nor A then what kind of "model" can we imagine that
> would produce the parallel electrokinetic E field that generates
> induction? What kind of "stress" in the Aether can we imagine that
> does this?
>
> Anyone?
>
> PS. If non-aetherists wish to comment, you are free to imagine these
> effects taking place by stresses in "nothing at all".

Benj, I think you have failed to mention one extremely im****tant
point: The direction of the induced EMF at a point caused by the
changing current in the current element depends upon where the rest of
the closed path is taken!

Similarly, if you have a test charge, the induced EMF acting upon it
depends upon the direction the charge is moving in. Or if you have a
static B, the force acting on the charge is always normal to the
direction it's moving in. Which begs the question: How can a changing
current produce an E or a static current produce a B that "knows"
which direction the test charge is moving in to consistently apply a
force in a direction related to the direction the charge is moving in?

I think the answer is simply that the E field of the test charge acts
upon the charges that make up the current element which likewise
creates a retarded E field that acts back upon the test charge which
acts back upon the current element etc etc.

Electromagnetism as taught in textbooks seem to miss out the
complicated feedback relation****p that exists between charges as the
source of electromagnetism and the reacting charges.