Re: is the magnetic field really moving?

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:13:09 -0500 Terry L Hewett Sr
<terrylhewettsr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

| It is a closed system. there is nothing outside of the system. The
primary 

So I can't take power out of this device to use it somewhere?


| function within the system there is a input and an output. The primary 
| function of the mechanism. The input is in the form of DC power is
supplied 
| to the 4 drive coils (not pulsed) continuous direct current. the coil 
| arrangement then powered will cage and drive the toroid armature about
it's 
| axis. first transformation is complete. elec to kinetic. this is where
most 
| mechanisms use the work for it's purpose. think of the first
transformation 
| as a 1 to 1 ratio. the DC voltage is totally used in the transformation
to 
| kinetic. the kinetic energy produced is used for the work however the
work 
| is to drive the multiple permanent magnetic field arrangemt of the
toroid 
| armature through the 4 induction coils inducing voltage. The toroid
armature 
| has multiple segments. this final transformation has a potential of a 
| extreme ratio via design variation. ok say you have 50 segments (flux 
| fields/lines) on the toroid armature. say we only use 1 induction coil
and 
| only one revolution is considered. that's a 50 to 1 ratio. 50 segments 4

| induction coils is a 200 to 1 ratio one revolution. Take into
consideration 
| the frictionless environment and the potential for hyper extreme
revolutions 
| per minute. continuing with that logic 50 segments 4 induction coils and
at 
| 100,000rpm is a 20,000,000 to 1 ratio. 20 million times a minute that a 
| voltage is induced without interuption. now that's faradays principle of

| induction run amuk.

I can see why you consider it a construction hazard for the average
hobbyist,
at 100000 rpm.

If I cannot get power out of it, I don't see any value in it.


| A ****tion of that is used to drive the toroid armature effectively
closing 
| the system. the excess is what will power electronic circuits etc that
are 
| inducted into the system or in a way riding piggyback on the system.

What do you mean by "riding piggyback"?

Can I use it to run my computers?  TV?  Lights?  Electric stove?  Electric
hot water heater?



| Yes. I know the power company is going to hate me. If everything you 
| purchase has a stand alone self renewing power supply onboard there is
no 
| need to plug into the grid. No more charging of cell phones, laptops
etc. no 
| plugging in tv's computers, sterios, appliances etc.

How can these devices be powered if you cannot take power out of the
system?


| I invision electric cars that never need to be charged. EVERYTHING on
the 
| planet that uses electricity or fuel in any form will be impacted by
this 
| mechanism.

Where is it getting its energy from?


| That means that the closed system is ideal under conditions pertaining
to 
| the laws of conservation of energy. In a closed system energy will be 
| conserved proper until acted upon by an outside source. The key term is 
| *closed system* The SRTT, mechtrinket, and another invention i'm calling
a 
| Hybrid Electric Generator (HEG) are the only closed systems on the
planet. 
| all other mechanisms are NOT a *closed system*.

If it is closed, I cannot get power out of it, and hence I cannot power my
lights.  If I could power my lights, I could put solar cells near the
lights
and get some power for other things.


|> | mag-lev drag? Explain please?
|>
|> Maglev is low drag, not zero drag.  Even if operated in a vacuum, it
would
|> eventually slow down a ballistic (no continuing drive power) object.
|>
| 
| I'm not 100% sure that there is no drag or resistance as a result of 
| interracting magnetic fields. for the better part there is only
attraction 
| and repulsion. I have in the past researched maglev trains.  I just did
a 
| little research on friction of a maglev train and the results are that
there 
| is no observable friction as a result of the levitation. however drag 
| coefficient is noted on the sites i visited.

Friction is a mechanical effect against force.  Of course there is
friction
against the air of the Maglev train because it cannot be operated in a
perfect
vacuum.  I take it your device will have a perfect vacuum to ensure not
drag
on the moving parts.


|> I'm asking about the device as a whole.
| 
| more or less a mechanical charger or maintainer. this is also a closed 
| system and with that the capability to induce into the system. battery
bank 
| powers dc motor, motor moves multipole belt through several induction
coils 
| producing voltage to maintain or sustain the battery bank. if it runs
off of 
| batteries this mechanism will eliminate the need to charge from the grid
or 
| outside source.
| 
| 
| 
| the ratio thing applies here as well drive is 1 to 1. belt 50 segments,
6 
| induction coils, 1 revolution 300 to 1 ratio.   belt: 50 segments, 6 
| induction coils, 1000 rpm 300,000 to 1 ratio.

I still don't know what any of this means.

I still can't figure out if this device generates electricity or stores
it.
I can't figure out where it gets energy from (if any) and where that
energy
can be utilized.


|> I might be able to understand it if every part were shown clearly in
its
|> exact position.  One thing I also need to know is for any magnets, what
|> the exact magnetic orientation is.  I would also need to know which
parts
|> are rigidly attached to others, and which are moveable relative to
others.
|> Your illustrations managed to show a small fraction of any of this.
|>
| 
| The SRTT prototype #6 toroid armature consists of 1/4 inch disc magnets
1/8 
| inch thick, N42 i think. fields are N on one flat side of disc S on
other 
| side. the spacers are 1/4 inch long cut sections of a o-ring 1/8 thick. 

Are the fields arranged N facing N or N facing C.  If I line up the disks
in a straight line do I get:   -NS--NS--NS--NS--NS--NS-
                or do I get:   -NS--SN--NS--SN--NS--SN-


| prototype #6 is only a model of the toroid armature made only to show
the 
| field orientation. by design it is one piece with the magnetic segments 
| imposed into the the blank rare earth core appropreately spaced as in 
| prototype #6. the toroid armature is rigid and the only moving part of
the 
| SRTT.

The the magnets are rigidly attached to the ring and cannot move along it?


| Mechtrinket Prototype #1 consists of 1/8 disc magnets N42 1/16 thick
same 
| field orientation. Rubber spacers are used for this prototype cutting
them 
| 1/8 inch long and they are 1/8 inch thick. The multipole belt is
designed as 
| a one piece flexable belt with segments imposed at the appropreate
spacing. 
| the belt and pullys are the only moving parts of mechtrinket. the dc
motor 
| is attached to the mechanisms chassis. the motor shaft and drive pully
move 
| together. The idler pully is also mounted to the chasis via stationary
shaft 
| and bearing. the induction coils and circuitry are also mounted to the 
| chasis.
| 
|>
|> |> If you can get someone to hand over money for it, that's your
business.
|> |>
|> |
|> | That's also the business of a scam.
|>
|> If you have something that works, and I mean really works and this can
|> be proven, you can get money.  That's not a scam.  Scammers specialize
|> in getting money from people who are not diligent enough to want proof.
| 
| prototyping hasn't costed much, under $100. I predict once into 
| manufacturing a cost of under $20 per unit for say one that will power a

| laptop and fit in the battery compartment with plenty of room to spare. 
| Anyways I'm not in a hurry to get filthy rich. I'd rather introduce the 
| technology to the scientific community for research.

This would have to have power _output_ where it connects to the battery
terminals in that compartment.

What energy input?


| the truth is I know i'm in over my head and i need help. I'm a mechanic
for 
| christ sakes not a "quantum mechanic". However that is the level of 
| understanding that the SRTT has drawn me into. Consider each of the 
| multipole fields as a charged particle traveling a infinite path with no

| uncertainty or entropy.

Sorry, I still don't see it.


|> I also know if power comes out, power has to go in from somewhere in no
|> less an amount.  If I get 1000 joules out over some time frame, there
|> had to be 1000 joules go in over some time frame that does not have to
|> be the same time frame as the output (note that some of the output can
|> be heat I don't always want).
| 
| well that's the common understanding among common manmade mechanisms.
| 
| there is nothing common about my mechanisms. Thermodynamics is a part of

| natural physics. It's role is conservation of energy's judge, jury, and 
| exicutioner. You don't play by the rules or only partially play by the
rules 
| your going to be punished in the form of heat. we have learned to deal
with 
| this heat in several manners. but still the best way to avoid it
alltogether 
| is to play by the rules of the game.
| 
| "Knowledge is brain food don't let your brain starve, feed it
regularly"- 
| Terry L Hewett Sr

You have to get the energy from somewhere to have energy.  Nuclear power
gets
that energy from the mass that is being partially converted according to
the
famous E=MC^2.  More traditional devices get their energy from
electrochemical
reaction, or other forms of potential energy such as mass falling to a
lower
level (a turbine attached to the base of a water tower), wind mill, solar
cell,
etc.  But the energy comes from somewhere.

I had an idea that would get energy from an unlikely source, of it worked.
It won't work, but even if it did, it would have an energy input (free of
financial cost) and an energy output (electrical).  Too bad it would not
work (due to the flaw of Faraday's paradox).

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