Re: is the magnetic field really moving?

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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:13:09 -0500 Terry L Hewett Sr 
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> wrote:
>
> | It is a closed system. there is nothing outside of the system. The 
> primary
>
> So I can't take power out of this device to use it somewhere?

think of it like a box full of energy in whatever form you need. the
energy 
refuses to leave the box it is happy there. anything you can put into the 
box will be powered as it needs.

>
>
> | function within the system there is a input and an output. The primary
> | function of the mechanism. The input is in the form of DC power is 
> supplied
> | to the 4 drive coils (not pulsed) continuous direct current. the coil
> | arrangement then powered will cage and drive the toroid armature about

> it's
> | axis. first transformation is complete. elec to kinetic. this is where

> most
> | mechanisms use the work for it's purpose. think of the first 
> transformation
> | as a 1 to 1 ratio. the DC voltage is totally used in the
transformation 
> to
> | kinetic. the kinetic energy produced is used for the work however the 
> work
> | is to drive the multiple permanent magnetic field arrangemt of the 
> toroid
> | armature through the 4 induction coils inducing voltage. The toroid 
> armature
> | has multiple segments. this final transformation has a potential of a
> | extreme ratio via design variation. ok say you have 50 segments (flux
> | fields/lines) on the toroid armature. say we only use 1 induction coil

> and
> | only one revolution is considered. that's a 50 to 1 ratio. 50 segments
4
> | induction coils is a 200 to 1 ratio one revolution. Take into 
> consideration
> | the frictionless environment and the potential for hyper extreme 
> revolutions
> | per minute. continuing with that logic 50 segments 4 induction coils
and 
> at
> | 100,000rpm is a 20,000,000 to 1 ratio. 20 million times a minute that
a
> | voltage is induced without interuption. now that's faradays principle
of
> | induction run amuk.
>
> I can see why you consider it a construction hazard for the average 
> hobbyist,
> at 100000 rpm.
>
> If I cannot get power out of it, I don't see any value in it.
>
>
> | A ****tion of that is used to drive the toroid armature effectively 
> closing
> | the system. the excess is what will power electronic circuits etc that

> are
> | inducted into the system or in a way riding piggyback on the system.
>
> What do you mean by "riding piggyback"?

something that is riding on the back of something else.
when an authorized person allows (intentionally or unintentionally) others

to pass through a secure door

>
> Can I use it to run my computers?  TV?  Lights?  Electric stove? 
Electric
> hot water heater?
>

Yes. Each one would require a mechanism designed to meet each appliances 
needs.
in the future of this technology i do forsee one mechanism inducting a
whole 
household full of devices.

>
>
> | Yes. I know the power company is going to hate me. If everything you
> | purchase has a stand alone self renewing power supply onboard there is

> no
> | need to plug into the grid. No more charging of cell phones, laptops 
> etc. no
> | plugging in tv's computers, sterios, appliances etc.
>
> How can these devices be powered if you cannot take power out of the 
> system?
>

The device is induced into the system. the closed system accepts the
device 
as a addition to the system without complaint or rejection.

>
> | I invision electric cars that never need to be charged. EVERYTHING on 
> the
> | planet that uses electricity or fuel in any form will be impacted by 
> this
> | mechanism.
>
> Where is it getting its energy from?
>
>
> | That means that the closed system is ideal under conditions pertaining

> to
> | the laws of conservation of energy. In a closed system energy will be
> | conserved proper until acted upon by an outside source. The key term
is
> | *closed system* The SRTT, mechtrinket, and another invention i'm
calling 
> a
> | Hybrid Electric Generator (HEG) are the only closed systems on the 
> planet.
> | all other mechanisms are NOT a *closed system*.
>
> If it is closed, I cannot get power out of it, and hence I cannot power
my
> lights.  If I could power my lights, I could put solar cells near the 
> lights
> and get some power for other things.
>

You answered your own question. the light is inducted into the closed
system 
becoming part of the system. the light produced could indeed power other
not 
physically connected to the closed system devices.

>
> |> | mag-lev drag? Explain please?
> |>
> |> Maglev is low drag, not zero drag.  Even if operated in a vacuum, it 
> would
> |> eventually slow down a ballistic (no continuing drive power) object.
> |>
> |
> | I'm not 100% sure that there is no drag or resistance as a result of
> | interracting magnetic fields. for the better part there is only 
> attraction
> | and repulsion. I have in the past researched maglev trains.  I just
did 
> a
> | little research on friction of a maglev train and the results are that

> there
> | is no observable friction as a result of the levitation. however drag
> | coefficient is noted on the sites i visited.
>
> Friction is a mechanical effect against force.  Of course there is 
> friction
> against the air of the Maglev train because it cannot be operated in a 
> perfect
> vacuum.  I take it your device will have a perfect vacuum to ensure not 
> drag
> on the moving parts.
>

Your correct. The toroid armature chamber (ring chamber) is indeed
designed 
to be under a vacuum

>
> |> I'm asking about the device as a whole.
> |
> | more or less a mechanical charger or maintainer. this is also a closed
> | system and with that the capability to induce into the system. battery

> bank
> | powers dc motor, motor moves multipole belt through several induction 
> coils
> | producing voltage to maintain or sustain the battery bank. if it runs 
> off of
> | batteries this mechanism will eliminate the need to charge from the
grid 
> or
> | outside source.
> |
> |
> |
> | the ratio thing applies here as well drive is 1 to 1. belt 50
segments, 
> 6
> | induction coils, 1 revolution 300 to 1 ratio.   belt: 50 segments, 6
> | induction coils, 1000 rpm 300,000 to 1 ratio.
>
> I still don't know what any of this means.
>
> I still can't figure out if this device generates electricity or stores 
> it.
> I can't figure out where it gets energy from (if any) and where that 
> energy
> can be utilized.
>
>
> |> I might be able to understand it if every part were shown clearly in 
> its
> |> exact position.  One thing I also need to know is for any magnets,
what
> |> the exact magnetic orientation is.  I would also need to know which 
> parts
> |> are rigidly attached to others, and which are moveable relative to 
> others.
> |> Your illustrations managed to show a small fraction of any of this.
> |>
> |
> | The SRTT prototype #6 toroid armature consists of 1/4 inch disc
magnets 
> 1/8
> | inch thick, N42 i think. fields are N on one flat side of disc S on 
> other
> | side. the spacers are 1/4 inch long cut sections of a o-ring 1/8
thick.
>
> Are the fields arranged N facing N or N facing C.  If I line up the
disks
> in a straight line do I get:   -NS--NS--NS--NS--NS--NS-
>                or do I get:   -NS--SN--NS--SN--NS--SN-
>

Key;
( | ) = flux field/line of physical disc magnet
( ! ) = flux field/line generated by multipole arrangement
( n ) = N pole field
( s ) = S pole field
( N ) = N pole of physical disk magnet
( S ) = S pole of physical disk magnet

Arrangement;
nN|Ss!nN|Ss!nN|Ss!nN|Ss!nN|Ss

>
> | prototype #6 is only a model of the toroid armature made only to show 
> the
> | field orientation. by design it is one piece with the magnetic
segments
> | imposed into the the blank rare earth core appropreately spaced as in
> | prototype #6. the toroid armature is rigid and the only moving part of

> the
> | SRTT.
>
> The the magnets are rigidly attached to the ring and cannot move along
it?
>

exactly the whole ring/toroid armature moves.
http://terrylhewettsr.rackhost.net/images/ringofarrows.gif

>
> | Mechtrinket Prototype #1 consists of 1/8 disc magnets N42 1/16 thick 
> same
> | field orientation. Rubber spacers are used for this prototype cutting 
> them
> | 1/8 inch long and they are 1/8 inch thick. The multipole belt is 
> designed as
> | a one piece flexable belt with segments imposed at the appropreate 
> spacing.
> | the belt and pullys are the only moving parts of mechtrinket. the dc 
> motor
> | is attached to the mechanisms chassis. the motor shaft and drive pully

> move
> | together. The idler pully is also mounted to the chasis via stationary

> shaft
> | and bearing. the induction coils and circuitry are also mounted to the
> | chasis.
> |
> |>
> |> |> If you can get someone to hand over money for it, that's your 
> business.
> |> |>
> |> |
> |> | That's also the business of a scam.
> |>
> |> If you have something that works, and I mean really works and this
can
> |> be proven, you can get money.  That's not a scam.  Scammers
specialize
> |> in getting money from people who are not diligent enough to want
proof.
> |
> | prototyping hasn't costed much, under $100. I predict once into
> | manufacturing a cost of under $20 per unit for say one that will power
a
> | laptop and fit in the battery compartment with plenty of room to
spare.
> | Anyways I'm not in a hurry to get filthy rich. I'd rather introduce
the
> | technology to the scientific community for research.
>
> This would have to have power _output_ where it connects to the battery
> terminals in that compartment.

Input and output are an internal closed system function. I would rather
look 
at the input as a primary transformation and the output as a secondary 
transformation within a closed system.

>
> What energy input?
>
>
> | the truth is I know i'm in over my head and i need help. I'm a
mechanic 
> for
> | christ sakes not a "quantum mechanic". However that is the level of
> | understanding that the SRTT has drawn me into. Consider each of the
> | multipole fields as a charged particle traveling a infinite path with
no
> | uncertainty or entropy.
>
> Sorry, I still don't see it.
>
>
> |> I also know if power comes out, power has to go in from somewhere in
no
> |> less an amount.  If I get 1000 joules out over some time frame, there
> |> had to be 1000 joules go in over some time frame that does not have
to
> |> be the same time frame as the output (note that some of the output
can
> |> be heat I don't always want).
> |
> | well that's the common understanding among common manmade mechanisms.
> |
> | there is nothing common about my mechanisms. Thermodynamics is a part
of
> | natural physics. It's role is conservation of energy's judge, jury,
and
> | exicutioner. You don't play by the rules or only partially play by the

> rules
> | your going to be punished in the form of heat. we have learned to deal

> with
> | this heat in several manners. but still the best way to avoid it 
> alltogether
> | is to play by the rules of the game.
> |
> | "Knowledge is brain food don't let your brain starve, feed it 
> regularly"-
> | Terry L Hewett Sr
>
> You have to get the energy from somewhere to have energy.  Nuclear power

> gets
> that energy from the mass that is being partially converted according to

> the
> famous E=MC^2.  More traditional devices get their energy from 
> electrochemical
> reaction, or other forms of potential energy such as mass falling to a 
> lower
> level (a turbine attached to the base of a water tower), wind mill,
solar 
> cell,
> etc.  But the energy comes from somewhere.
>

Exactly however every one of the mechanisms are a primary transformation
for 
the work. they fail as a closed system.

> I had an idea that would get energy from an unlikely source, of it
worked.
> It won't work, but even if it did, it would have an energy input (free
of
> financial cost) and an energy output (electrical).  Too bad it would not
> work (due to the flaw of Faraday's paradox).
>
> -- 

Now you've struck my interest tell me about it. There is more than one 
faraday paradox. what i present is also a faraday paradox.



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