Re: is the magnetic field really moving?

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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:35:06 -0500 Terry L Hewett Sr 
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> |> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:13:09 -0500 Terry L Hewett Sr
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> |>
> |> | It is a closed system. there is nothing outside of the system. The
> |> primary
> |>
> |> So I can't take power out of this device to use it somewhere?
> |
> | think of it like a box full of energy in whatever form you need. the 
> energy
> | refuses to leave the box it is happy there. anything you can put into 
> the
> | box will be powered as it needs.
>
> That sounds utterly useless.  I can't think of anything I use that uses
> electricity that can be put inside of some box.  These appliances get
> their electricity by means of a pair of wires connected to some source
> of electricity.
>
> How does energy get into this box in the first place?  What good is it
if
> the energy stays in the box and never comes out?
>

that's not working. Now i have to explain how an imaginary box works.

> |> So I can't take power out of this device to use it somewhere?

No. you cannot take from the device. the primary and secondary functions
are 
internal to the mechanism hardwired in a manner that the processes are 
absolute. You cannot take from the system however you can add to it.


>
> |> What do you mean by "riding piggyback"?
> |
> | something that is riding on the back of something else.
> | when an authorized person allows (intentionally or unintentionally) 
> others
> | to pass through a secure door
>
> And this means what in the context of your power/enery device?
>

The mechanism produces excess of what it uses to maintain rotation of the 
toroid armature.
Via design variations this excess can be a little or alot. the primary and

secondary processes/ transformations are absolute. they are their own
entity 
within the process you cannot change them. However the excess is real time

and continous. look at it as an output if you must but the device your 
wanting to power will be inducted into the closed system. the systems 
process will be indifferent to the addition of the extra device.


>
> |> Can I use it to run my computers?  TV?  Lights?  Electric stove? 
> Electric
> |> hot water heater?
> |>
> |
> | Yes. Each one would require a mechanism designed to meet each
appliances
> | needs.
> | in the future of this technology i do forsee one mechanism inducting a

> whole
> | household full of devices.
>
> So can it be made to have a pair of metallic terminals from which 
> electricty
> can be obtained, even if not of the correct form (e.g. maybe 96 volts DC

> when
> you wanted 120 volts AC)?
>

well yeah it could. why not just have a 13.5 volt DC excess and introduce
an 
inverter?

>
> |> | Yes. I know the power company is going to hate me. If everything
you
> |> | purchase has a stand alone self renewing power supply onboard there

> is
> |> no
> |> | need to plug into the grid. No more charging of cell phones,
laptops
> |> etc. no
> |> | plugging in tv's computers, sterios, appliances etc.
> |>
> |> How can these devices be powered if you cannot take power out of the
> |> system?
> |>
> |
> | The device is induced into the system. the closed system accepts the 
> device
> | as a addition to the system without complaint or rejection.
>
> What does "device is induced into the system" mean?
>

It means that it essentially becomes a part of the system.


> Appliances I would want to power "accept" electricity through their
power
> connections, usually and AC cord or an ISO ****t (like computers have).
>
> How do you get power to these appliances?  If you have a way, it can be
> useful.  If not, then it seems useless.
>

I don't plan on integrating this mechanism to be used in current or past 
appliances.
sorry no 110 plugs in the future. the other end of the cords are attached
to 
a circuit board of some kind. that is where the SRTT will be located in 
future devices/appliances.
I forsee cords as a thing of the past.

>
> |> If it is closed, I cannot get power out of it, and hence I cannot
power 
> my
> |> lights.  If I could power my lights, I could put solar cells near the
> |> lights
> |> and get some power for other things.
> |>
> |
> | You answered your own question. the light is inducted into the closed 
> system
> | becoming part of the system. the light produced could indeed power
other 
> not
> | physically connected to the closed system devices.
>
> If light can go in, it's not a closed system.  Maybe you are using
"closed
> system" in a different way than the meaning I understand that term to 
> have.
>

Your understanding the term "closed system" correctly. it's the term
induced 
that your not understanding. It's the lights voltage needs that are
induced 
not the light it's self.

>
> |> Friction is a mechanical effect against force.  Of course there is
> |> friction
> |> against the air of the Maglev train because it cannot be operated in
a
> |> perfect
> |> vacuum.  I take it your device will have a perfect vacuum to ensure
not
> |> drag
> |> on the moving parts.
> |>
> |
> | Your correct. The toroid armature chamber (ring chamber) is indeed 
> designed
> | to be under a vacuum
>
> OK.  But that doesn't mean it would have zero drag.  It might have a
very
> low level of drag.
>

It might.

>
> |> Are the fields arranged N facing N or N facing C.  If I line up the 
> disks
> |> in a straight line do I get:   -NS--NS--NS--NS--NS--NS-
> |>                or do I get:   -NS--SN--NS--SN--NS--SN-
> |>
> |
> | Key;
> | ( | ) = flux field/line of physical disc magnet
> | ( ! ) = flux field/line generated by multipole arrangement
> | ( n ) = N pole field
> | ( s ) = S pole field
> | ( N ) = N pole of physical disk magnet
> | ( S ) = S pole of physical disk magnet
> |
> | Arrangement;
> | nN|Ss!nN|Ss!nN|Ss!nN|Ss!nN|Ss
>
> Is the "|" the (position of) disk itself?

the disk it's self is represented by the combined "N|S"

>
> If there are just the two poles (N and S) facing each other, most of the

> flux
> lines will be fairly straight between them, depending on distance
relative 
> to
> disk face size, etc.
>
>
> | exactly the whole ring/toroid armature moves.
> | http://terrylhewettsr.rackhost.net/images/ringofarrows.gif
>
> What determines the direction of the motion?

right hand rule of thumb and i propose a left hand rule of thumb.

>
> What sets it into motion?

a supplied voltage to the drive coils. the field created by the drive
coils 
will cage and by placement will give the toroid armature no option but to 
follow the path of least resistance.

>
> What keeps it in motion against magnetic drag?
>

Kinetic energy in the form of flywheel storage. However i'm still not sold

on the belief that there will be any magnetic drag.

>
> |> This would have to have power _output_ where it connects to the
battery
> |> terminals in that compartment.
> |
> | Input and output are an internal closed system function. I would
rather 
> look
> | at the input as a primary transformation and the output as a secondary
> | transformation within a closed system.
>
> How is this different from a device like this?
> http://www.liebert.com/product_pages/Product.aspx?id=59&hz=60
>

well that device seems to be a battery backup of sorts. how the flywheel 
fit's into the mechanism has created some curiosity on my part though with

the "full magnetic levitation".