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Re: is the magnetic field really moving?

by Timo Nieminen <timo@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Salmon Egg wrote:

> In article <Pine.LNX.4.50.0808280830560.14931-100000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>  Timo Nieminen <timo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > B = mu0 M
> > 
> > in the (instantaneous) rest frame of the magnetised material. In the 
> > rotating frame, M is the same as in the laboratory frame when the
magnet 
> > is at rest. Therefore, in the rotating frame, we have the same B field

> > that we have in the laboratory frame when the magnet is stationary.
> 
> You are making things too complicated. The transformation of B into E is

> pro****tional to v/c. Most relativistic effects, the ones that confuse 
> people like dilation of time, are pro****tional to (v/c)^2. Except for 
> the motional emf, relativistic effects at the speeds I am considering 
> will be absent.

And since the only relativistic effect I was considering (in method A) was

the relativistic transormation of B into E (I wouldn't call it "motional 
emf" - that's likely to be misleading), why do you say I'm making things 
too complicated?

-- 
Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
 




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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-07-24 20:05:24 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-07-25 06:46:06 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-25 00:27:41 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-07-30 09:03:55 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-07-31 07:02:12 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-07-31 09:44:12 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-29 18:08:59 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-30 06:26:37 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-30 18:12:10 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-07-31 21:34:48 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-07-31 16:23:50 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-01 05:27:02 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:34:06 
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"Vince Morgan"   2008-08-01 11:09:33 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:36:39 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:29:46 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 05:09:21 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-02 00:42:34 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-01 16:25:42 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-03 18:08:04 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-02 03:17:52 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-03 17:42:44 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-03 23:04:29 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 19:21:06 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-04 16:52:36 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-04 21:49:27 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-04 21:13:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-05 11:55:01 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 08:21:37 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-05 15:10:39 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-06 08:17:48 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-14 04:18:24 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-14 11:18:30 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-15 07:27:46 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-08-24 00:53:37 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-28 06:56:52 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 02:33:56 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-19 07:41:24 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 11:20:21 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-19 11:52:38 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 23:27:20 
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blackhead <larryharson  2008-08-25 12:13:11 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 21:48:43 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 16:05:23 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 03:53:26 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-25 18:43:17 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 13:30:51 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-26 08:31:23 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-25 16:09:36 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 04:00:51 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-26 21:24:47 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:38:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 12:18:14 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 01:57:04 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-18 20:01:29 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-19 09:28:39 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-19 11:45:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-20 08:24:21 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-20 11:17:11 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-20 22:07:36 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-20 20:53:47 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-21 00:46:15 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-21 19:57:48 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-21 22:42:37 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-21 21:39:25 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:33:16 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:43:33 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:33:40 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-25 20:56:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 03:51:54 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-26 16:13:09 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 23:54:31 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-28 02:16:35 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:30:21 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-22 21:27:19 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-23 12:44:14 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-24 07:04:57 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-23 17:38:11 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:13:09 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 12:26:31 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 14:00:45 
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Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-14 21:26:31 
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"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-14 17:38:09 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-27 06:56:27 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 02:17:15 
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"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-08-26 18:03:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-26 08:47:06 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-27 14:51:06 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:43:27 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 11:56:13 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 00:12:18 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 14:22:32 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 13:28:40 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 16:38:36 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 09:05:20 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 16:57:02 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-08-27 17:09:27 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 12:56:16 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-28 12:58:11 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
Christoph Kobe <christ  2008-08-15 01:03:16 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 11:39:06 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-23 12:46:58 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 00:44:52 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 08:15:51 
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maxwell <spsi@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 08:21:04 
Re: is the magnetic field really moving?
"Terry L Hewett Sr&q  2008-08-24 18:21:58 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-25 20:49:18 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-08-24 09:41:38 
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Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-08-27 13:01:51 
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phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-08-27 07:31:15 

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