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Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz

by Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 1, 2008 at 08:50 PM

On Sep 1, 10:54=A0pm, Timo Nieminen <t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Benj wrote:

> > "tunneling"???!!!
>
> > Puhleeeze! =A0Hey Timo, time to hit the sophomore E&M textbook again!
> > What do you think he built? "Quantum conduits" for the star ****p
> > Enterprise?
>
> You bought into the QM propaganda that tunnelling is a "purely quantum"
> phenomenon?

Yeah, I have! Lets quote a source above all question: Wikipedia!

"In quantum mechanics, quantum tunnelling is a nanoscopic phenomenon
in which a particle violates the principles of classical mechanics by
penetrating a potential barrier or impedance higher than the kinetic
energy of the particle.[1]"

> FYI, evanescent transmission through below cut-off waveguides,
> FTIR, coupling between optical fibres, and radiation from bent optical
> fibres are all perfectly good classical examples of tunnelling. The last
> one is especially cute, being tunnelling from the waveguide to a point
in
> free space.

Um, did you notice the word there "nanoscopic"?  Since when is a one
inch waveguide "nanoscopic"? And anyway, There is no classical
impenetrable barrier below cut-off!  The wave equations clearly
produce solutions of evanescent waves!  Ok, optical fibers are smaller
but I still see no impenetrable classical barriers. I only see
evanescent waves away from the core that can couple. This still sounds
like BS to me!

I suppose if you are trying to use a QED description of light as
particles some kind of "tunneling" description might be necessary to
"explain" those effects, but that is far from necessary when plain old
classical E&M does just fine. But then even though QED does correctly
describe phenomena as far as it goes, it is still mostly BS and
"explains" nothing.

> There's a sizable literature on all this; read and learn.

So give me a cite so I can read and learn!
 




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Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Efthimios <eangelopoul  2008-09-01 12:36:37 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-01 20:05:05 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-09-02 06:09:52 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Efthimios <eangelopoul  2008-09-01 13:20:41 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-01 20:55:05 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-09-01 16:47:23 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Efthimios <eangelopoul  2008-09-01 14:04:33 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-01 22:05:05 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-01 18:16:27 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-09-02 12:54:43 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-01 20:50:49 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Timo Nieminen <timo@[E  2008-09-02 14:47:07 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-03 21:03:41 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"Kevin G. Rhoads&quo  2008-09-08 16:35:33 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-08 12:42:41 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-08 12:46:44 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-08 18:23:51 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
p.kinsler@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-09-11 11:34:55 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-08 18:29:34 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-10 06:42:31 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-11 11:18:15 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-12 12:04:18 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-12 16:12:46 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-09-12 20:19:04 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"Kevin G. Rhoads&quo  2008-09-18 13:58:40 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
whit3rd <whit3rd@[EMAI  2008-09-14 08:54:40 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
whit3rd <whit3rd@[EMAI  2008-09-18 16:06:17 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-18 20:40:05 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-09-21 03:49:16 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
"Timo A. Nieminen&qu  2008-09-21 04:05:25 
Re: Wave guides for very low frequencies Hz-kHz
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-20 15:12:05 

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