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Re: electromagnets in the practice

by "Don Kelly" <dhky@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 4, 2008 at 05:10 AM

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"Camilo" <camilogil@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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news:43e07b13-59fc-46d7-9a4d-6dfed7ea1c7c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 everybody! As I understand when you face two magnets by the same
pole, no matter if one of the magnets is very weak, they always get
rejected  between them.
Well, guided by this premise, I tried to achieve this objective, but
replacing  the weak magnet by a weak electromagnet, with an "I" shaped
ferromagentic core, and 15 meters of 36 number gauge used for  the
coil, and supplied by a 9 volts battery. I must to clarify that I made
several experiments by changing the cross area of the core, but using
always the same lenght of wire  (because I need to obtain in every
experiment approximately the same DC resistance). Obviously the
resulting number of turns is smaller when higher cross section is
used.
Ok, so the question is, no matter which cross section you use ¿why
always electromagnet get attracted to the magnet?
I´m sure  that they are faced by the same pole when I perform the
experiment and electromagnet works properly, the only thing is that
its power isn´t too much; so finally, Is the problem here that the
mentioned premise doesn´t apply to magnet-electromagnet interaction?
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If your electromagnet wasn't energized, the permanent magnet would attract

the core. The characteristic of the permanent magnet is to have nearly 
constant flux  and it acts like an electromagnet with possibly several 
thousand ampere turns ( and a big fat B-H curve)  so that a change in the 
air gap doesn't change the field much. Similarly introducing a relatively 
few ampere turns is going to have only a bit more than effect as peeing in

Lake Superior is going to have on the water level- it doesn't change the 
flux pattern or magnitude appreciably. If you used a strong electromagnet 
you would see a difference but if strong enough, the permanent magnet
could 
be demagnetized.

A better explanation would require a fair amount of background information

and math.
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Don Kelly dhky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 16 Posts in Topic:
electromagnets in the practice
Camilo <camilogil@[EMA  2008-09-03 20:26:35 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-04 05:10:46 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
rtk <rtarunkumar@[EMAI  2008-09-04 04:16:35 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-04 08:28:24 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-09-04 18:23:30 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-04 21:30:46 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-09-05 17:28:29 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
Camilo <camilogil@[EMA  2008-09-04 21:34:46 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-09-05 17:42:17 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
stan <smoore@[EMAIL PR  2008-09-05 20:55:02 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-05 06:56:19 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-05 22:04:51 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
"Szczepan Bialek&quo  2008-09-06 09:37:08 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
Camilo <camilogil@[EMA  2008-09-05 22:18:10 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
John Polasek <jpolasek  2008-09-06 10:42:51 
Re: electromagnets in the practice
Camilo <camilogil@[EMA  2008-09-06 11:56:17 

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