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Re: Basic Question

by jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 4, 2008 at 08:45 PM

EskWIRED@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I'm wondering how one can squeeze more current through a given diameter 
> wire by means of increasing the voltage. 

E=IR so assuming the R is fixed, the bigger the E the bigger the I.

> I'm wondering a bunch of other stuff too, but the answer to this
question 
> seems basic to my eventual understanding of other questions.
> 
> "More current" means that more coulombs of charge pass by a given point 
> per unit of time.  I take this to mean that more electrons flow past the

> point.

Yes.

 
> If more electrons pass by the point per unit of time, does this mean
that 
> the velocity of the electrons is greater at higher voltages, all other 
> things being equal?  Is the means of getting more electrons through a 
> given wire to increase the velocity of the electrons by means of 
> increasing the voltage?
> 
> If so, then how fast do electrons travel?  

This is a bit complicated, but not very fast. See:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ohmmic.html

> I (think I) understand that the electrons do not necessarily pass
through 
> the entire length of the wire, but instead, they travel between adjacent

> copper atoms.  When one atom near the source gets extra electrons, it 
> p***** some electrons to its neighboring atom.  This propogates down the

> wire from one end to the other, until eventually, the current reaches
the 
> load at the other end.
> 
> And am I correct that at higher voltages, this process happens more 
> quickly?  If one had a really long wire, could the time difference be 
> noticible and significant?
> 
> So how fast does this effect propogate down the length of the wire?  And

> is velocity of travel the mechanism that allows more electrons to "pass 
> through" a thin wire at higher voltage per unit of time?

See the above link.
 
> OK, so that is my basic question, and I guess it assumes DC voltages. 
Is 
> that true?

Doesn't matter.
 
> Taking it one step further, ISTM that with AC, the electons starting at 
> the source might not get too far down the wire before polarity changes. 

> Here in North America, we switch polarity 60 times a second.
> 
> So are the same electrons going back and forth, back and forth, along
the 
> same physical chunk of wire at AC voltages? 

Basically.
 
> AND - what happens when we use low voltage and high frequency?  

Nothing much different.
 
> Specifically, what would happen if the switching frequency is 
> significantly quicker than the time required for the voltage change to 
> propogate all the way down the wire from the generator to the load? 
Does 
> the transmission system suffer weird phase problems?

As the frequency increases the inductance of the wire start to become
a significant reactance and the current and voltage are no longer in
phase.

> And am I starting to figure out the term "Power Factor" using this line
of 
> reasoning, or am I going in weird circles, and beginning my reasoning 
> process with defective premises?

Power factor is a measure of the reactance of a system.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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EskWIRED@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-09-04 16:41:33 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-09-04 10:55:10 
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"extremesoundandligh  2008-09-04 11:57:46 
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EskWIRED@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-09-04 20:28:52 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-04 21:05:05 
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EskWIRED@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-09-05 12:50:04 
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EskWIRED@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-09-06 16:12:51 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-05 19:45:04 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-05 23:25:04 
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Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@  2008-09-10 20:57:28 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-04 20:45:04 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-05 05:05:04 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-06 05:45:05 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-07 02:25:08 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-08 01:35:05 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-05 23:35:04 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-06 18:15:05 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-07 00:31:34 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-08 08:48:20 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-08 16:15:04 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-08 17:15:04 
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"Don Kelly" <  2008-09-09 05:21:52 
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Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-09-09 09:16:46 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-09-09 16:35:05 

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